I'm sharing with you (first)
a "Letter to the Editor" type letter I wrote that appears in this week's SBTexan
(1/21/2008), "the Newsjournal of the Southern Baptists of Texas Convention
It is in response to recent coverage of the "Building Bridges: Southern Baptists and Calvinism" conference (audio
). However, they also printed a letter expressing sentiment much different than my own in the same issue. I'll share it (second)
as well as a few comments in response.
I want to commend the SBTexan
on publishing more than one perspective on this issue.Calvinism coverage helpful
Thanks so much for your recent articles about the conference dealing with the question of Calvinism in the SBC (Dec 24 TEXAN). In an era of divisiveness theological hostility, it’s encouraging to see my beloved SBC lovingly discussion a topic such as Calvinism.
Although Spurgeon labeled
it a “nickname” for the Gospel, Calvinism is often caricatured and vehemently attacked. Calvinists are not allowed define Calvinism and attackers often display a lack of openness to some of the more “difficult” passages.
Some will be concerned that the percentage of those embracing Reformed theology has been increasing
for decades (particularly among younger pastors
), but others (myself included) see this as a natural outgrowth of the diligence done in the past to herald the authority of the Bible, it’s inerrancy and sufficiency.
Add to this the affection for expository preaching and new generations are trying to let the text speak for itself, even passages that don’t readily fit into our way of seeing things (e.g., Gen 50:20
; 1 Sam 2:25
; Prov 21:1
; John 6:44
; Acts 13:48
; Eph 1:3-12
Historically, we’ve had both the Reformed and the more Revivalistic within the SBC. I don’t expect that to change, but a conference like this helps us all to honestly approach those with whom we disagree without resorting to vitriolic rhetoric or labels of heresy.
Thanks for helping us better understand each other as both strive to honor Christ through the evangelization of the planet.Eric “Gunny” Hartman, PastorProvidence Church, GarlandCalvinism false doctrine
When it comes to false doctrines, what difference does the history of the SBC make? History, associations and friendships have nothing to do with it.
If the doctrine of 'Total Depravity' means that we are just as sinful as Satan can get us to be, I agree with it. If it means we cannot act toward God, it is refuted by Isaiah 45:22
, which says, "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God and there is none else."
The doctrine of unconditional election is refuted by Jesus' attempt to get through to even Judas Iscariot, the one who would betray him, at the Last Supper.
Limited atonement is also refuted by Isaiah 45:22
, as well as 2 Peter 3:9
Stephen refuted the doctrine of irresistible grace when he told the elders, scribes, the high priest and his accusers, "... ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
Preservation of the saints is the only doctrine that the Calvinists have gotten right.
Now there is one more question to be answered. "Can two walk together expect they be agreed?" (Amos 3:3
). My question is: why do we even want to walk together with proponents of false doctrines.Joseph Regel, pastorFBC Laneville
Since I have written previously on the issues of Calvinism
and the T.U.L.I.P.
, I defer to those treatments for extensive coverage. I will try to limit my response to Pastor Regel's thoughts.
I appreciate Pastor Regel's attempt to use Scripture as his basis for not liking Calvinism; that isn't always the case. However, I would assert that his selections don't do for him what he might think.First
, Isaiah 45:22
(or any other verse like it) does not refute "Total Depravity
." Just because we ought
to do something, doesn't mean we are able to do it. That's his assumption, but he neglects the texts that explicitly assert we "cannot act toward God" apart from divine aid (e.g., John 6:44
). After the fall, humans lost not the obligation to love God with their entire being and others as themselves, but they lost the desire to do so, thanks to a heart that is desperately wicked (Jer 17:9
). They can't because they don't want to, and that is the nature of the freedom/bondage of the will
For further elaboration of the rationalistic assumption, I refer you to a nice tidbit
about the deviations of Arminianism and Hyper-Calvinism based on rational assumption. I also give you the following words of wisdom:
"To suppose that whatever God requireth of us that we have power of ourselves to do, is to make the cross and grace of Jesus Christ of none effect."Second
, with regard to Judas and unconditional election
, this is where I'd love for him to elaborate. I don't see Jesus "attempt to get through to Judas Iscariot," but rather Jesus provides us with the harsh reality that Judas is beyond saving--he's destined for destruction, in order to fulfill Scripture (John 17:12
Besides, Pastor Regel seems here to be arguing against election in general, not merely unconditional election in particular. The Arminian believes in election as well, and would believe that Jesus would already know the destiny of each individual, including Judas. The difference is that the Arminian believes God made that choice before the person was born, but with a view to what the person would do in the future with regard to Christ. In other words, it's conditional
on how he/she would respond. The Calvinist believes the same, but that the choice is not conditioned
on something in the person or that the person will do. Instead, it's God's prerogative that enables the person to respond to the Gospel, which He does for His elect.Third
, "limited atonement
" is generally the highest hurdle with regard to acceptance of the so-called "5 Points," and there are admittedly some passages that don't seem to fit in that regard, at least not at a first glance. That being said, Isaiah 45:22
does not contribute much to this discussion, if anything. In fact, none of the "whosoever will" passages do.
The Bible is true. Whoever believes on the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved. Calvinists wouldn't/shouldn't deny that. The reality is, however, that the only ones who will come are those who have been chosen by the Father, as Christ's sheep. They are the only ones who will know His voice and answer that call (John 10:2-5
). That's why He lays down His life for the sheep (John 10:11
). That's why Christ died for His bride, the church (Eph 5:25
"limited atonement" is not as helpful as it could be, for all except universalists "limit" the atonement in some form or fashion, in what it accomplishes and/or for whom it was accomplished. The Arminian limits the atonement in that Jesus didn't save anyone, but merely made possible
the salvation of those who have the opportunity to hear the Gospel and will respond appropriately. In that sense, none could have been saved or some could have, but nothing is certain. One might also make the case that the Arminian also limits the atonement in that Christ did not die for all the sins of everyone, for the sin of unbelief is not atoned for. If a person does not believe, then that person's sins are not forgiven and the person must pay for them in hell
. Consequently, those same sins are punished twice, once on the cross by Jesus and again by the person in hell
The Calvinist limits the atonement in number
also, but not in effectiveness
. That is, it secured the salvation of the elect, the sheep, the church. In that sense, Jesus accomplished exactly what He set out to do, to redeem those given to Him by the Father.
More could be said on the doctrine of the extent of the atonement, but for the sake of brevity I will defer to J. I. Packer's accessible Introduction
to John Owen's Death of Death in the Death of Christ
(which also deals with this issue).
With regard to 2 Peter 3:9
I will just say that there are many questions that need to be asked before we assume the meaning. First, who are the "you" being addressed that section? If it's Christians or the elect, then you have no issues. Also, does this text mean that people perish and God can't stop it (cf
. Job 42:2
; Ps 115:3
), if He's not willing that any should? Lastly, what promise (singular) is in view? God has promised salvation only to those who believe, so that is the group being addressed and the group for whom God will be faithful
Honestly, this passage could get its own post, so I'll leave it at that, but would be happy to dialog further in the comments section or direct you to other resources.Fourth
, this leads us to "irresistible grace
," which I think Pastor Regel doesn't quite understand. But, in all fairness to him, the nomenclature doesn't help, which is why I'm not a fan of some of the verbiage and have suggested alternatives
Irresistible grace does not
mean that no one can or will resist the Spirit. What it simply means is that God's elect will come to Christ, in His way and in His timing. This is because he predestined them and will subsequently (effectually) call them and then justify them, etc. (cf
. Rom 8:29-30
). I might put it simply in the words of Jesus: "All that the Father gives me will come to me" (John 6:37
, I'm glad we agree on something (i.e., preservation of the saints
). But, I would probably muddy the waters by mentioning that eternal security is not the same thing as the "Perseverence/Preservation of the Saints."Finally
, there are Calvinistic folks who ask the same question about the Arminians in the SBC, why would we want to keep them around? Why would Calvinists want to "walk together with proponents of false doctrines"?
I guess I'm one of those deluded enough to think that both can co-exist with mutual love and respect, but with an openness and willingness to be corrected when & where necessary, according to the Scriptures.
I don't believe that the Calvinists in the SBC want to eliminate Arminians or non-Calvinists ... okay, at least not all of the Calvinists anyway.
But, I do believe the Calvinists in the SBC want to be treated with respect and not have their view caricatured with straw men and ad hominem
I'm not campaigning, necessarily, for some Rodney King theology ("Why can't we all just get along?"), as much as I am for Christian communication about theology. By Christian I mean in manner of presentation (i.e., irenic) as well as material used in argumentation (i.e., the Scriptures).
To that end I recommend Roger Nicole's Polemic Theology: How to Deal with Those Who Differ from Us
.As for my theology ... Without God I am nothing. I am the tool by which He works His will.