Thursday, November 15, 2007

Do you believe that my being stronger or faster has anything to do with my muscles in this place? You think that's air you're breathing now?

Big news today in the world of baseball, particularly among 2 VERY high profile free agents.

Alex Rodriguez looks to be going to back to the Yankees for big bucks, at least $300 million if he can get the career home run record.

The free agent who currently holds the record had a less stellar day, for Bonds has been officially called a liar and a cheater by a federal grand jury.

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Barry Bonds was indicted Thursday for perjury and obstruction of justice, charged with lying when he told a federal grand jury that he did not knowingly use performance-enhancing drugs.

The indictment unsealed Thursday against baseball's home-run king culminated a four-year investigation into steroid use by elite athletes.

"During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes," the indictment read. (read the rest)

On the one hand, this has been suspected for quite some time, but this is pretty heavy to have more to go on than before & after pictures.

"Seven-hundred-sixty-two has the authenticity of a curbside Rolex, the honor of Ben Johnson's 9.79."
-Sports Illustrated's Tom Verducci

Mark McGwire is facing difficulty getting into the Hall of Fame, primarily based on suspicion.

What does this do to Barry's chances? Is he automatically OUT if convicted?

What does it say about baseball if you have the man with the most hits (Pete Rose) and the man with the most homers (Bonds) NOT in the hall of fame?

7 Comments:

At 15 November, 2007 17:19, Blogger Jade said...

Boy, you got this post up pretty quick! :o) Well you know my take on A-Rod. We should not waste money on him. That's what plagues the Yankees --- overpaying individuals! Baseball is about team work, not glorifying individuals! As Tom Hanks would have said, "there's no individualism in baseball!". Unfortunately the Steinbrenners do not feel this way and it's going to hurt us another season! Sigh.
Now on Bonds. I'm against steriods. If the law says it's illegal, then he shouldn't use it. ..regardless of whether the drug helped him in his endeavors or not.

 
At 15 November, 2007 17:24, Blogger GUNNY said...

Well, Jade, you've been a good source for baseball information, particularly with regard to A-Rod.

Like I've said, that's not gonna help their situation a whole lot, assuming they want to win the World Series. It will put bottoms in seats to hear big names and big numbers with regard to the team. And even a shot at a record is good bull, but ultimately they REALLY need some pitching.

Otherwise, they will be a team that does well against the garden variety American League teams, but gets bounced (again) in the first round when matched with more well-rounded teams.

Yeah, baseball's steroid bit is confusing, since they all the sudden seem to care about policing their peeps.

Of course, these guys who point their fingers at their accusers (e.g., Raphael Palmeiro) and then turn up positive don't help the league's image much.

 
At 15 November, 2007 17:34, Blogger Jade said...

Gunny wrote:
Well, Jade, you've been a good source for baseball information, particularly with regard to A-Rod.
Well someone's got to watch out for my team! :o( I just hope Girardi shines through regardless of the Steinbrenner's bad decisions. I wonder when the govt will start investigating A-Rod.... :ob Maybe that will allow us NOT to pay him this outrageous sum amount of money ($300 million) to break Bond's record and invest instead into some pitching!

So what's your take on this steriod stuff! I know you wanted Mcguire into the hall of fame, but it's still breaking the law...

 
At 16 November, 2007 08:31, Blogger Michelle K said...

Matrix? I am not for sure, but I believe that's it.

You could develop and market your own game about movie quotes...that would be fun.

 
At 16 November, 2007 09:35, Blogger Oilcan said...

The Matrix

As a Texas Ranger fan, I know that A-Rod is NOT "the one". Great player, but not as great a person. A-Rod does not guarantee a penant or championship obviously, but he does help. So, it is nice to have an owner so committed to winning that he is willing to shell out big bucks for a player. Did I also mention I am a Dallas Cowboys fan? Go Jerry Jones, go!

On the steroids, along with the evildoers, I mostly blame major league baseball and the players union for ignoring and overlooking its use and for not enforcing the rules. They allowed this mess to happen - by not enforcing it, they passively encouraged it to continue.

So, I don't think these players made a good decision to take steroids, but I don't hate them for doing so. Gunny likes MacGwire and I like Sosa, but I think we both expect that steroid shenanigans occurred with these guys. I don't like Bonds, but for other reasons. So, some of the blame even should lie with us fans, who suspected steroid abuse but still cheered on our roided up players and teams.

However, lying under oath is a whole other matter of a criminal nature, and that I do not forgive. Once it got to the Feds, the gig should have been up and these guys should have exposed the "good bull" steroid cheating culture. If Big Baseball was serious, they should grant these guys amnesty so they could tell the truth without fear of reprisals by the league. Then, these players would more likely have been honest with the Feds, but as it was, they were covering their, um, liabilities, which is the same thing Big Baseball is doing.

 
At 17 November, 2007 20:53, Blogger Rev. said...

The Yankees are definitely the agents. Everyone knows Neo is a Cardinal. BB is just in his own universe. I'm still laughing about that op-ed The Onion did on him a while back. ;)

 
At 19 November, 2007 21:14, Blogger GUNNY said...

I'm feeling Oilcan on that issue.

Sports is a weird animal. It borderline encourages cheating and it's like it's okay unless you get caught.

This is the case whether it's getting away with a hold or a push off in the NFL or an emery board or a corked bat.

The problem with baseball is that they never policed their players, so they kept doing it.

If steroids is against the law, they shouldn't have done it, of course, but there's also the reality of breaking the law without getting caught.

When a person runs a red light or speeds or does whatever without getting caught, we wouldn't expect them to turn themselves in.

So, there's that weirdness with that which is illegal versus that which is just "cheating."

So, in my mind baseball has this whole "steroids era" that it has to deal with. I thinking the only reasonable thing to do is punish those who have been proven guilty and treat everyone else as innocent until proven otherwise.

So, in the case of McGwire, there's no proof he did anything wrong. Suspicion is not enough, it seems to me.

Honestly, I think baseball and the HOF has the burden to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Beyond that, even if a person did "cheat," but never got caught, what do you do?

Suppose Cal Ripkin or McGwire or Greg Maddux or whomever said, "I was roiding it up back in the day"?

Do their teams have to forfeit the games in which they played?

If a player is caught in the act, you punish that person. But if someone said, "By the way, I was speeding yesterday." They don't get a ticket ex post fact.

But ... when caught in the act, I think you have to punish and punish hard. That's why I was so upset with the slap on the wrist that the Patriots got this year over their whole cheating via videotaping of the sign-stealing.

At a minimum they should have forfeited that game.

Wouldn't it be interesting if they finish the season perfect and win the Superbowl without having lost a game, but been clearly found guilty in at least one of those games (forgetting all the stuff in the past, for a moment)?

If I was on the '72 Dolphins I would certainly be tender.

I said all that to say this, I think any of these players under suspicion should be evaluated on their performance, records, and contribution to the game with regard to the hall of fame.

But ... I also think Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. When the player with the most hits of all time is not in there it really just seems odd to me.

 

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